{"id":1667,"date":"2017-12-16T19:15:21","date_gmt":"2017-12-17T03:15:21","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/b-spoke.net\/?p=1667"},"modified":"2026-06-29T22:00:29","modified_gmt":"2026-06-29T22:00:29","slug":"rock-and-roll-mba","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/thirdactmedia.com\/b-spoke\/2017\/12\/16\/rock-and-roll-mba\/","title":{"rendered":"Learn to Fly: Management Lessons from Dave Grohl"},"content":{"rendered":"<h6 style=\"margin-bottom:0;\">A 4:30 read<\/h6>\n<h6>(About the length of a great pop song)<\/h6>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/thirdactmedia.com\/b-spoke\/category\/managing-people\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-1691\" src=\"https:\/\/b-spoke.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/12\/people-cassette-bug.png?w=300\" alt=\"\" width=\"225\" height=\"144\" \/><br \/>\n<\/a><br \/>\nThere are three requirements for a corporate retreat:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>Some kind of insipid team-building icebreaker (Trust Falls, anyone?);<\/li>\n<li>A stale deli tray;<\/li>\n<li>A group exercise to identify &#8220;What makes a great leader?&#8221;<br \/>\n<em>(Also a question that graduation speeches, job interviews, and business-minded listicles frequently heavily lean on.)<\/em><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>Usual suspects cited: Kennedy, Lincoln, Churchill, Gandhi. (Good luck getting through a strategy presentation without hearing <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-1672\" src=\"https:\/\/b-spoke.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/12\/bored-employees-in-presentation-1940x900_29877.jpg?w=300\" alt=\"\" width=\"250\" height=\"116\" \/>at least one \u201clesson\u201d from Steve Jobs.) Edgy provocateurs love to cite Hitler as a \u201cbad man, certainly \u2013 but a great leader.\u201d (Spoiler alert: No, he was <a href=\"https:\/\/www.newyorker.com\/books\/second-read\/rereading-albert-speers-inside-the-third-reich\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">an incompetent manager<\/a>. And, well, also pure evil.)<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s hard to imagine how any of these historical greats would fare in today\u2019s workplace. Sir Winston&#8217;s cigar smoke is disqualification enough. To (literally) shake things up, we need leaders primed for a more modern era &#8211; like the frontman for rock n\u2019 roll\u2019s Foo Fighters: Dave Grohl.<\/p>\n<p>There is no definitive and complete inventory of leadership skills, but some are key. And on those, Dave rocks.<\/p>\n<h4><em>Go On and Have It All:<\/em><br \/>\nGreat Leaders Focus on Results<\/h4>\n<h3>By any objective measure, Dave Grohl\u2019s career is a smashing success: a key role in one of the most influential bands since the days of Ed Sullivan, followed by forming a group with 11 Grammy Awards (and 29 nominations), selling over 30 million records (during a time the industry collapsed). Grohl\u2019s goals are more than just gold \u2013 he wants to make great music. Though sales, awards, and sold-out baseball stadiums attest to the popularity of his music, he pushes the band in different directions to accomplish his objectives: A recent album was captured on magnetic (analog!) tape in his garage; its follow-up was recorded in different cities across America, collaborating with local icons; for their most recent, he brought in a new production team \u2013 and everyone from Justin Timberlake to Paul McCartney to contribute.<\/h3>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-1670\" src=\"https:\/\/b-spoke.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/12\/results.jpg?w=300\" alt=\"\" width=\"275\" height=\"182\" \/>Elementary students are graded for effort; leaders are scored on accomplishment. Anyone who has ever strapped on a guitar knows how to keep score: money and fame. Grohl has certainly achieved that. (If only firing up Excel inspired the same level of fan devotion and conspicuous lavishness\u2026.)<\/p>\n<p>Bringing in outside talent \u2013 even temporarily \u2013 is a way great leaders infuse their organization with new ideas (this message brought to you by consultants everywhere). Keeping diverse resources focused on outcomes can be an issue, and challenging oneself and others to try new things and push the envelope does not guarantee success. Strong sales can make any organization complacent; a good leader inspires his\/her teammates to experiment and work outside their comfort zones.<\/p>\n<h4><em>Just Trying to Keep My T-Shirt Clean:<br \/>\n<\/em>Great Leaders Build Positive Cultures<\/h4>\n<p>There\u2019s no rule that you have to be friends with your coworkers, but you do have to work with your coworkers.<\/p>\n<h3><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-1671\" src=\"https:\/\/b-spoke.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/12\/266px-fooslollberlin190917-74_cropped.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"240\" height=\"180\" \/>After a rocky start, Foo Fighters\u2019 lineup has been stable for nearly 18 years \u2013 in fact, it\u2019s <u>expanding<\/u>. Grohl cultivates a sense of community and collaboration &#8211; publicity and songwriting credits chiefly belongs to the band, not one man. Grohl is in charge, but he shares the spotlight. There\u2019s no need to flaunt it or serve his particular ego.<\/h3>\n<h3>There are no sordid tales of wanton parties and lascivious groupies on tour buses; in fact, it\u2019s almost the opposite. \u201cTake Your Daughter to Work Day\u201d isn\u2019t an occasional curiousity; band member\u2019s children are frequently spotted hiding behind amps during shows, and Grohl\u2019s eight-year-old daughter delighted a summer audience when she sat in on drums.<\/h3>\n<h3>The night before headlining a huge festival, band members roamed the Fairgrounds with their families, enjoying carnival rides and dancing to live music.<\/h3>\n<p>Great leaders understand that sharing credit doesn\u2019t diminish their reputation; success radiates and reflects upwards. Engaging employees and colleagues, ensuring what\u2019s important to one is acknowledged and encouraged, demonstrates leadership.<\/p>\n<h4><em>If Everything Could Feel This Real Forever:<br \/>\n<\/em>Great Leaders Maintain Customer Focus<\/h4>\n<h3>When was the last time someone posted a selfie with Jeffrey Immelt? Grohl knows that a clear line of sight to the customer is an ingredient of success, so he\u2019s always ready to take a moment to make a fan\u2019s (customer&#8217;s) day \u2013 including hitting the waterslide at the aforementioned festival.<\/h3>\n<h3>To launch its 2011 tour, the band celebrated its garage-rock roots and literally played suburban garages and cul-de-sacs (probably pissing off a few neighbors in the process).<\/h3>\n<p>Of course, a rock band doesn\u2019t have a true \u201cinverted pyramid\u201d structure, where customer needs drive the focus. But making time to engage with customers, and understand what they need from the product, and find unique and differentiating ways to deliver it \u2013 that\u2019s a great start. It doesn&#8217;t mean &#8220;selling out&#8221; and pandering to the audience, but taking <em>your<\/em> vision and finding ways to deliver it on <em>their<\/em> terms.<\/p>\n<h4><em>Done, and On to the Next One:<br \/>\n<\/em>Great Leaders Continually Reinvent Themselves<\/h4>\n<h3>\u201cWhat I really want to do is direct\u201d is a clich\u00e9, of course. Grohl has become the \u201cKen Burns of rock\u201d for directing two documentaries \u2013 one an homage to an historic recording studio, the other an HBO series celebrating the history of American music.<\/h3>\n<p>In some circles, that could be called \u201cextending your <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-1675\" src=\"https:\/\/b-spoke.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/12\/reinvent.jpg?w=300\" alt=\"\" width=\"267\" height=\"160\" \/>brand\u201d \u2013 something great leaders are always looking to do. It can be exciting to see a leader become passionate about an idea and follow it through, especially when it\u2019s outside his or her normal competencies. (After all, that PayPal guy is building rocket ships). It can be risky as hell \u2013 failures are very public \u2013 but inspirational, as well.<\/p>\n<h4><em>I\u2019ll Stick Around:<br \/>\n<\/em>Great Leaders Stay Positive While Facing Adversity and Manage Set Backs<\/h4>\n<h3>Foo Fighters\u2019 origin story is built on setback: Nirvana was the biggest band in the world when frontman Kurt Cobain killed himself. Drummer Dave poured his grief into recording a collection of songs, playing every instrument himself. He shared that cassette with some industry folk, and the rest \u2013 as they say \u2013 is history.<\/h3>\n<p>A solo, self-contained project doesn\u2019t demonstrate leadership (in fact, it can be the opposite); but great leaders manage setbacks. They rationally work through alternatives and align resources to move forward. They don\u2019t panic, and they don\u2019t let their team see fear.<\/p>\n<h3>Tensions were high during the production of their fourth album. The band ultimately decided to take a break, threw away millions of dollars\u2019 worth of recordings, and start fresh.<\/h3>\n<h3>When projects turn sour, poor managers swap out resources \u2013 or tell the team to \u201cfigure it out\u201d and \u201cdouble down\u201d or suffer consequences. Great leaders know that sometimes all it takes is a recharging of the batteries for the team to refocus and succeed. Sometimes a little bit of resolve is all it needs.<\/h3>\n<h4><em>Getting the Best of You:<br \/>\n<\/em>Great Leaders Inspire Others<\/h4>\n<h3><em>Rolling Stone<\/em> magazine recently called Grohl \u201cthe Tom Hanks of rock and roll\u201d. Rarely is heard a discouraging word about Dave. He frequently guests on others\u2019 records (and has<a href=\"https:\/\/www.spin.com\/2011\/10\/dave-grohl-fills-hospitalized-cage-elephant-drummer\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> stepped in to save shows<\/a>), and the list of people who have contributed to his is astounding \u2013 McCartney and Timberlake, sure, but also members from acts as diverse as Led Zeppelin and Preservation Hall Jazz Band. Legends and up-and-comers alike join Dave onstage, and everyone just seems to genuinely like the guy.<\/h3>\n<p>Being liked is not an essential component of leadership \u2013 but it doesn\u2019t hurt. Great leaders engage their colleagues, peers, and even competitors \u2013 they inspire, provide feedback, and provide confidence. They maintain trust and keep private discussions private. Recognizing others, allowing them room to grow and achieve, builds respect and loyalty. And that is great leadership.<\/p>\n<p>There&#8217;s a reason why particularly engaging leaders &#8211; the Jeff Bezos and Mark Cubans of the world &#8211; are called &#8220;rock stars&#8221;. And that&#8217;s because rock stars <em>rock<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-1692\" src=\"https:\/\/b-spoke.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/12\/spacer.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"100\" height=\"102\" \/><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-1673\" src=\"https:\/\/b-spoke.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/12\/davegrohlliveearthlondonshow_hm5qknj_jil.jpg?w=200\" alt=\"\" width=\"167\" height=\"250\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Do you want this guy leading your strategic projects or launching your latest go-to-market initiative? Even if he could pass your dress code, probably not. But his poise, attitude, and commitment to both his art and his team provides lessons that we can all apply.<\/p>\n<p>Looking at rock stars, particularly when they act like rock stars, it&#8217;s difficult to picture them as youths, spending thousands of hours alone, practicing scales, getting blisters while mangling chords, changing strings and trying to overcome their fear of failure. But they put that time in to hone their craft, and it paid off.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cGood Leadership\u201d doesn\u2019t require a divine muse; there are basic skills and habits that anyone can develop. Not everyone will be their industry leader, but by practicing these skills, we can all do a better job guiding our teams and having positive impacts.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The best of them bleed it out, while the rest peter out.<\/p>\n<p>And other things about being a leader I learned from listening to loud music. <a href=\"https:\/\/thirdactmedia.com\/b-spoke\/2017\/12\/16\/rock-and-roll-mba\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Learn to Fly: Management Lessons from Dave Grohl<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":2360,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":true,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[5],"tags":[31,46,57],"class_list":["post-1667","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-managing-people","tag-everything-i-need-to-know","tag-leadership","tag-pop-culture"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/thirdactmedia.com\/b-spoke\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/12\/featured-color-and-shape.png","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/thirdactmedia.com\/b-spoke\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1667","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/thirdactmedia.com\/b-spoke\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/thirdactmedia.com\/b-spoke\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/thirdactmedia.com\/b-spoke\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/thirdactmedia.com\/b-spoke\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1667"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/thirdactmedia.com\/b-spoke\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1667\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2383,"href":"https:\/\/thirdactmedia.com\/b-spoke\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1667\/revisions\/2383"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/thirdactmedia.com\/b-spoke\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/2360"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/thirdactmedia.com\/b-spoke\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1667"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/thirdactmedia.com\/b-spoke\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1667"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/thirdactmedia.com\/b-spoke\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1667"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}